The Brave Ideas Podcast: Episode 6

“Oggi: Innovating the future of hybrid work”

Designed for the future of hybrid work and global collaboration, Oggi enhances meetings, training and events with customizable, scalable solutions.  In this Brave Ideas podcast, we dive into the world of Oggi with founder Imelda Alejandrino and CEO Brian Club and discuss how through immersive digital experiences, artificial intelligence and innovative design, Oggi cultivates meaningful collaboration and human engagement across diverse industries.

Podcast Transcript 

Welcome to the Brave Ideas Podcast brought to you by Athlon, a global brand and product development studio. In this series, we grab time with innovators and changemakers, spanning startups to market leaders, together we explore how digital innovation is empowering them to bring brave ideas to market.

Chris

Hello, everyone. My name is Christopher Sherrick, managing partner at Athlon, and I am delighted to host this episode of the Brave Ideas podcast. With me today we have Brian from Oggi. Brian, why don’t you go ahead and introduce yourself to our listeners.

Brian 

Thank you, Chris. It’s great to be here. My name is Brian Clubb, CEO of Oggi, and shortly, we’re going to meet our founder, Imelda, and we’ll take you on a journey

Chris 

That sounds great, Brian. Can you give us a little bit about your background, your current role at Oggi, and what career journey have you taken to land where you’re at today? 

Brian

Yeah, thank you. So my career has been really primarily in the product management space, but definitely more commercially oriented. I’m trying to figure out what is the business problem we’re going to solve and turn it and bring it to market. 

You know, if we think about Oggi specifically, Oggi is, think of it as a technology company who happens to leverage AI and immersive digital reality to solve these problems in the virtual space. 

So it’s how do you bring the virtual space together with the real world to solve problems through a human connection. That’s great.

Chris 

I mean, I am in Oggi right now. I will see it on the video. It is very fun. Every time I drop into here, I have to zoom around the space for the first couple minutes before I settle into being an adult. 

This is a very brave idea creating this. What I see is a virtual interaction space, more than it is anything else related to I mean. 

I’ve seen some of the metaverse applications. I’ve seen VR I’ve seen AR. This is the closest I feel I’ve gotten to physical, digital, hybrid interaction with other people. 

And I’d love to hear from you. What stands out, this is the brave ideas podcast at Athlon. So what stands out with you at Oggi in terms of being brave and how Oggi is taking that with what you’re doing in the market and your product?

Brian

Thank you. You know, it’s people talk about technology a lot, you know, AI digital reality and all that good stuff. Yeah, that’s fun. And technology is moving fast, so it’s hard to keep up. 

But what’s exciting is how the tools we have in our toolkit to solve problems differently. You know, historically, you know this. This is not about being in a video game, an Oggiverse, or any other type of virtual reality application. It’s about, how do you look at the whites of somebody’s eyes and have a connection with them on whatever the topic is, it could be around education learning. A topic could be around having a sales presentation or walking around you know how you’re selling. 

So how do you engage differently with these emerging technologies? Is really what our focus is. But again, it’s not about technology. It’s about pain point or opportunity we’re trying to solve, and that could drive from revenue growth to patient outcomes

Chris 

Absolutely and well, let’s talk about Oggi as a whole. So as CEO, the concept itself is very brave. How do you continue to cultivate that brave thinking, but remaining focused on the product, market fit throughout your organization?

Brian

Yeah, absolutely, from a brave perspective. You know, one of the hardest things that we had to overcome was our focus, because there’s so many things you can solve. It’s like, what is your purpose? Right? And to keep that focus is difficult, but as you think about who you can partner with to help deliver the outcomes, what you’re trying to get to is finding that right partner while maintaining the focus. 

You know, it’s easy to find a list of who’s best at this topic or that topic, but it’s who also will be flexible and create a commercially reasonable, I would say, new business approach of doing, both as a partner or as a vendor.

But you know, I really do want to introduce you to Imelda, who’s our founder and my partner in crime, and we can go walk across the room over there in our virtual world and go meet her. Does that sound good?

Chris

Yeah that sounds great. Brian, let’s do it. Hey, Imelda, great to see you. 

Imelda

Likewise. 

Chris

Thanks so much for coming on the podcast. So I just had a brief chat with Brian before we came over here. We were talking about what it takes to be bold and brave in this industry, especially leaning into a sector of the market that we’ll get deeper into, but has had its ups and downs in terms of hype cycles, and you are the brave founder, the leader behind what Oggi is today, and that is something that we love to celebrate at Athlon. 

And from your perspective, I would love to know when was the time that you decided that you needed to make that bold, brave decision and to start Oggi and to split it off from whatever you were doing before. And on that note, please feel free to provide us a bit more background, not only on the start of Oggi, but where you were before that.

Imelda

Yeah, sure. You know,  when people ask me that question, I always respond with a riddle. And. And the riddle goes like this. 

How many creative directors does it take to change a light bulb? Does it have to be a light bulb? 

That is the premise of my creative I’m a creative director by trade, but really a strategist and throughout my career, starting back in the early 2000 I was always thinking out of the box, and one of the things that I love the most is taking human behavior, understanding it, and getting people to respond to it

Where today, where we take for granted clicking on a link. Back then with Adobe, we had to go through five steps just to do that. And I feel like I’m talking about the dark ages here, but really, everything that I’ve done has always had some technology strategy into it.

So fast forward to Oggi, really. This is at the height of the pandemic, and one of our clients, who’s very creative as well, asked our company, our marketing company, at the time, to put together a global event without using zoom or teams or the like.

And so our team put our heads together, and we came up with Oggi. And with that, it was very successful when we launched it. We launched it in South Africa, England, here in the Americas, as well as Asia. And we actually had a game show putting everybody together at once. Can you imagine a global game show? And the topic was around supplier diversity. That was part of the main goal was to be able to talk about global supplier diversity. 

So the thing that made it seem viable is when I had a recommendation from another client. This was actually from an agency that had Chevrolet as a client, and every summer they put together an HBCU internship that lasts about three months. 

Of course, Oggi was a perfect fit, because a lot of these students came from different parts of America, and they met once a week with their mentor for three months inside Oggi. He imagined the savings, no flights, and being able to talk to anyone, anytime during their scheduled events. 

Then another client came along, like I said, every time people would think about Oggi, they would come up with their own ideas on how to use it. This other client, Rico, they actually used it as a sales tool. We created a space where we had holograms with a different vertical retail commerce, and the hologram when you approach it, we talk about that vertical, and it was interactive. You could actually go to one of the walls, click it, and then it would download to your goodie bags. All of a sudden, it’s a sales tool. 

But really at the end of the day, Oggi, if you think about it, is a space for meeting, and it’s a space for learning, no matter what vertical you’re in and so we feel that since we were appealing to enterprise now we could move into working with SMBs, because, as you know, the economy is changing, technology is changing, and because of the pandemic, I think that enabled people to meet virtually.  So,that’s my story, and I’m sticking to it.

Chris  

 So for those who are just listening, they can’t see me on video right now, looking around like a kid in a candy store. And there is, there’s so much in this space. If you are just listening, I’d recommend at least trying to find a clip from today’s episode, so that you can get a sense of what it feels like to be inside this world. 

Imelda, there’s so much I can see here in terms of potential, in terms of bringing people together to meet, to learn to converse, to connect. One question that immediately comes to mind is especially post COVID, zoom, fatigue, all of these different things, can you truly create a natural as impactful interaction in the Oggiverse as you can in person? Are there different scenarios where one works better? What is your vision, your belief? 

IMelda 

Well, you know, currently, I think people understand virtual connection is done through a grid of boxes, right? 

You don’t have the ability to have a side conversation while an event is going on, with Oggi verse, we emulate what human behavior does in a gathering. 

So for instance, there could be a presentation happening on the big screen that you were just standing in front of earlier, and it could be very engaging. But what if I wanted to turn to somebody and say, “Hey, did you catch that?” Or “let’s have a side conversation, because what you said was very impactful, and I would love to talk to you more about that.” So if you think about a live event. You would probably be doing the exact same thing. Now that you’re not stuck in these grid of boxes, you have the capability and the freedom to actually have conversations, have interactions that you would naturally as if you were there. 

And I think what makes it very spontaneous is the fact that I can see the white of your eyes, as Brian said, I can see your interaction, and we can move around. And also, if I wanted to demonstrate a product or service for you, we could actually put a 3D car in here. We could walk over it, and I would say, look, push this little button here, and it does that. So all of a sudden, I’m doing a live demo, as you would if you were in a live situation. So we’re really trying to emulate as much as possible what you would do in the live engagement. 

Chris

I can totally see the impact of that. When I think about Athlon, my position at Athlon, I’m often working with our clients, our partners, and when it comes to new clients or things that we want to market and show off, Imelda, we know each other. I know you come from a marketing background, so I’m cheating slightly, but I can absolutely see the potential of being able to show off the work that we’ve done from a digital design perspective in a space like this, in a way that a, let’s call it, a two dimensional web screen can’t capture always

Brian

Just kind of a side comment around access. Yeah, the way the world’s been going, as we kind of have seen, are these big helmets, these VR headsets and so forth. That’s not that that’s cost prohibitive. Think about technology and how it’s moving fast, but you know, so as we thought about our offering and how we bring things to life, it’s most definitely focused on the broadest reach with accessibility at the heart of it.

So while we can do those kind of cool things where you have a headset, it’s not, it’s not practical, and it goes beyond, above and beyond, and what you’re even trying to solve in that interaction, right? So, just some things to think about, you know, it’s just because the technology is there, how can you use technology to be more human, not less? Most humans don’t walk around with a helmet in their head, right?  You make it more realistic. And, you know, look at the person’s face. 

Chris  

Yes, and for those who don’t know, again, those who are listening in, I am on a browser tab right now. We’re interacting with each other inside of a web browser. So I am not wearing any headset. It is almost like we are our zoom squares, but on unchained, if you will, to be able to interact with each other and the environment that we’re located in, it’s really impactful. 

So there is a challenge with being brave. Of course, when you are breaking ground for the first time, it can be incredibly difficult to shift the market’s idea of what is optimal, what they should invest in, right? Should is a dangerous word when it comes to assumptions, product market fit all those different things. So obviously you have to move forward in hypotheses and innovation. 

And what I think about from my experience traversing the digital market of all industries in the last five years, I’ve seen the Web3 applications come and go. The Metaverse had a monster hype cycle, and it’s dropped off. What I am in right now feels like the metaverse, but it is much more interactive. It feels like it can be its own category. The challenge will be trying to figure out where that fits and in your perspective, Imelda, how is Oggi different?  How are you balancing striving for innovation and really this incredibly impactful new way of interacting or learning with taking risks, but also being responsible in how you grow your business and enter the market? 

Imelda

Well it really stems from being human. And usually, when there’s something new, there’s always apprehension, right? So you can’t be too different. Otherwise they can’t understand what it is you’re doing. 

And you’re right, we are on the cusp of something we’re calling this, the new generation of virtual connection. And what I mean by that is, you know, all these years we spent in front of zoom and teams and the like, we are not really moving that far away in terms of how people understand virtual video connection, but the the bold move that we’re making is that now we are taking us and taking these squares and moving them around.

So it’s very important to understand that there, you understand the human behavior, what they’re used to, and how far they’ll take it.

I look at the other virtual platforms that are still out there, and they lack the connection. They really do. You’re in there for 10 minutes and you feel like you’re a zombie, and nobody knows that you’re around. So as far as taking a bold move, we believe that this is the next generation of virtual communication. 

And thankfully, although COVID was a tragic event, it really positioned us in a way where you can communicate as you notice, live events are never going to go away, right? So one of the things that we say is that you can extend your live event, not only during the event, but even post the event, right? You’re exponentially, from a revenue, from exposure, for attendance, having this type of platform. 

Now that sounds more like a category than how does Oggi separate itself? Well, again, it’s that video, that human connection. So that, I think people will find that they can pluck a better word, connect with you.

Chris 

I think that’s spot on, Imelda, even me in the environment. And I will give a quick shout out to our lovely Haley, who is helping us record the video today. I’m about to upset her, so I am going to speed backwards and I’m going to look around for the sake of the video, just to show what it’s like to be able to interact with this environment. And it does feel very intuitive and interactive. And to the extent where I’m looking at Imelda’s back, it has her name on it, so I know it’s Imelda, but you know/

 I can, from my perspective, I can see Brian. I can see him. All that looks like they’re over there having a conversation, and that may not be something that I want to intrude on, and that feels like one of the things here that is much, much different than zoom squares, right? 

And there is, I mean, everyone I talked to, I think we’re all sick of it, to be honest. So sorry, rejoining the room here. So Brian, when it comes to this next generation of virtual connection, Imelda touched on a few features, a few interaction elements within the Oggi verse. But what do you think is missing from today that Oggi either has or can bring that will redefine how someone may look at this industry, what you’re doing as a category? 

Brian

Yeah, I think kind of it’s a great question. You know, this topic, the technology available today wasn’t here five months ago, a year ago. It’s moving so fast. 

So even when we think about the metaverse of the past, even that is not the same. It’s not about the metaverse as an example. It’s about, how do you put these technologies together, like a piece, like a puzzle piece, and those puzzle pieces are, there’s more and more every day, right? 

So I think the best way to bring it to life is really, kind of, there’s two examples that stick in my head that are really, I think, highlight the outcome of using this technology. 

So for example, university, you know, what is it? What are university’s pain points? It’s,how do we grow, you know, our student population, for lack of a better word, how do we become more global in nature? 

So envision where you’re in a lecture hall, where you’re an avatar, if you will, or just like we are today, but you’re in a lecture hall and listening to the professor, but everybody’s from different countries. But you know what? You can understand their language in your own language, because AI technology for language translation, for example, has come. It’s amazing. 

So now you’re there, you’re able to sit and not your traditional zoom taking your class, you’re able to interact, tap on the person’s shoulders, and Imelda mentioned before, understand their other language, if you will. 

But also the professor, if it’s an art class, says, “Let’s go to the louver”. And you teleport to louver and walk down a virtual world, a virtual representation of the louver medical doctor, right? 

Or a health care type topic, let’s go into the room and show how these things work. So these these spaces can be very realistic, leveraging blueprints or, you know, images, but also they can be, you know, like this one more kind of video game like, so you can really kind of balance, do you want to be in a realistic world, or more of a kind of a game show type thing,

But something that’s really kind of an example, that’s really kind of close to my heart, is an example of type one diabetes. So my son was diagnosed with type one when, you know, in high school, and we had a rough time, and it was pretty scary, right? 

So how do you leverage and envision, as we’re talking to a diabetes company right now, how do we leverage technology to educate the patient, the parents, and not just from an education perspective, and learn about diabetes, but then, how do you manage it? How do you do insulin? It doesn’t mean a nurse will never come to your house. How do you augment that? We’re not trying to take the human connection out. It’s helping add to a human connection. 

And last, how do you interact differently with your physician and make it you know, the version for the children is more gaming because they’re like games. The one for the adults is not right. So those are the things, I think, that’s really cool is how you bring these pieces of the puzzle together to make a difference and. Puzzle pieces I said before are moving fast in terms of the evolution of technology.

Chris 

That’s really great. Brian, thank you for sharing that personal anecdote. It really ties this all together in my head, I can, I can see the passion and the empathy and when we think about you mentioned education and healthcare. Let’s dive a little bit deeper into that. 

So we’ve been seeing solutions floating around for the last couple years in terms of, how can we enable virtual teaching? How do we enable what you described, really in home care, telehealth, all of these different use cases within these industries, leveraging digital technology. 

Will this really solve access issues? And when I say this, not just Oggi, but digital immersion as a whole. You know, you mentioned the diabetes use case, I can absolutely see that. Why do you think this segment that you’re creating really is going to be different than what existed before?

Brian

Yeah, besides the fact that we can do so much more than we can before. How you define before could be five years or it could be five months ago. It’s moving that fast, right? 

How do you take that technology to break down the barriers of an interaction with two people? But one example I mentioned earlier was around the barrier of language. You know, that’s been solved, but how do you apply it to bring the value

Another barrier to your point around patient access is while you don’t want to take away the physician’s touch and understanding of the diagnosis and the real person interaction. But you know that might only be something, some I can do for once a year. I don’t know if you live out, you know, if you live far away from your physician?  Can I go see a top physician in a city if I live in the country?  

And they’ll get to the point where, you know, once they decide during that communication or that conversation, that Okay, it’s time to make that visit and see us in person. 

Again, it’s not about taking away people, it’s about bringing people together more to be more productive in those virtual or digital engagements. So things are just moving so fast I can’t imagine what it’s gonna be like a year from now.

Chris 

Yeah, on the access it is. So I have to remind myself that I am in a web browser. You know, of course, I don’t have a virtual reality headset on, but you see that as you know what people are getting excited about. Of course, Apple enters the space, and people are going to get excited about it. 

But when you talk about access, this is truly accessible, right? I am in a web browser. Internet I know is the expansion of telecom, especially newer technologies in 5G etc,, they’re making their ways out to those remote areas, but it’s still difficult, and to the extent that those out in the countryside may have the access to the right bandwidth, the means to be able to purchase all of this expensive technology, to assume that anyone has the means to purchase all of this expensive technology, really, what you’ve done is you’ve lowered the barrier to entry for people to interact in this digitally immersive space.

Brian

And as I alluded to earlier, around the pieces of the puzzle, we bring these technologies together. That’s essentially how you would configure an Oggi experience.

For example, you first think about, what is the ouFtcome you’re looking to get. What is the business problem? Is it about education? Is about sales, driving revenue, or whatever the topic is, right? From that you determine, Okay, is this a small group or big group? What’s the right environment? Do I want to be in a lecture hall? Do I want to be on the moon, because I want to do some cool, you know, you know, whatever, with your team building? You know. So you kind of build upon that until you get to a result. How do we bring things together like a puzzle. But it all starts with that first point, which is, why are we meeting today? 

Chris  

it almost feels like your customers, equally, have to be brave. I mean, with what you have, yes, it is turnkey. We can set it up. We can go but that ultimately, as your paradigm shifting what is possible in the digitally immersive world that people are going to have to get creative in terms of rethinking how they’ve always done, things like healthcare workflows, training workflows, L& D, all of these different things that you have the means to be able to provide, but people have to be brave and to step out of their comfort zone to say there’s a better way of doing this. And Oggi is a partner that we can work with to create that. 

Brian

Yeah it’s about thinking outside the box. You know, while we can bring recommendations, what we think are the gold standards, for lack of a better way of saying it, it’s about, how do you work together, to be unique and whatever give you a competitive advantage to solve that, that pain point.

One really interesting use case, which is exciting to me at least, and I think for a lot of folks who think about it, is around bringing on new talent. Right? When you hire somebody. And if you’re a company that has one, you know, every week or once a month, or whatever it is, you have a employee training session. And let’s say you can’t afford to bring into your office, or they’re across the globe, you can really do it virtually, create a wing of your building or office space that is your actual headquarters. You just leverage a blueprint, and that turns into a place for them to come and take classes, to have their interaction. 

But guess what’s cool? They can walk out of the room during a break, talk to one of the other new employees, or they can walk down to the swag store and walk into a virtual space or retail perspective, and pick out their merch they want, right? They want their new company logo t-shirt, and then they can pick it and have it go to their house. So my point is, it’s thinking outside the box and taking that step.

Chris 

Wait hold on, Brian, did I miss the swag store here? Where do I stop for that? Well, hold on, where do I? Where’s the swag store? Can someone give me an Oggi shirt? Yes, amazing. 

Chris 

So Imelda, shifting back over to you as a founder, we have founders and innovators who listen to this podcast, and they’re tuning in not only to to learn about what is, what is going on, who is being brave in technology and innovation, but they’re also here to learn. And if you could share a specific challenge and how you’ve adapted to it, from an Oggi perspective, from a founder perspective, that would be something that our audience would really value.

Imelda

Oh, yeah, you have to understand that there were three major factors that people are apprehensive about and anything new…

The first is the human factor, right? There’s a fear of change that that’s one. 

The second is organizational factors, right the cost of implementing something new, that’s a deterrent as well. 

And there’s also the technology factor as well. There’s security concerns, reliability issues, so the way that we’ve mitigated those problems is number one, the fear of change now by making it feel like it’s a step up to the grid of boxes, people now understand that we’re still looking at each other’s faces, and we are still connecting like we did in the past. So that’s some sort of familiarity. 

The other is organization, organizational factors. Now, if you have a client who already has a virtual process for connecting their people or to their clients, the difference now is, because this is a web app, this doesn’t take a great amount of change, such as the call the VCRs on your faces, right? You don’t need to have financial outlay for that. That this is as similar as clicking on a website. 

And the last is the technology factor and the security part of it is one of the biggest things that we hear all the time. Again, like all websites, we implement all the cyber security requirements. We have processes within an organization that before anybody comes in and joins a meeting, they have to go through certain identification. 

Now, very interestingly enough, we are talking to a utility company out here in the Northern California, and that was their first question to us, if we create a space for our SME vendors, how do we make sure that these vendors aren’t coming in angry at us because sub utility companies, we do have people different ideas. 

Again, they were concerns about adverse connections, right? And so we employ, like any other virtual platforms out there, making sure that we have our cyber security button down, that we have processes that only allow people that are invited to come in. 

So we are hoping that with the three major issues of adopting new technology, we’ve addressed those. There’s more terms of per category that I’ve mentioned, but those are the top reasons people don’t adopt new technology.

Chris 

Of course, it makes total sense, and some of the examples you described early on actually positioned you for a go to market with Oggi even in its earliest proof of concept phases in the enterprise phase, which the majority of startups, I would say, or innovators, are not generally subject to the same level of enterprise cyber security requirements that you are but more and more data privacy, data security, they’re becoming a concern, not only for consumers, of course, for businesses, especially enterprise. It is a significant risk to brand if your customers’ data is compromised. So to be able to come to a solution like Oggi that has all that buttoned up, it is extremely important for someone to be able to come and try this and feel safe trying it. 

Imelda

That’s so true. That is so true. 

Chris

So wrapping up, there are going to be a lot of technology changes that continue to happen. Oggi is going to continue to adapt with those changes, and I can’t wait to see where you guys are in five years from now. But thinking five years ahead, I know we probably can’t even conceptualize what the technology will be like. But do you have any vision or idea for what this new generation of digital immersion will feel as an experience?

Imelda

Oh my gosh, I can’t stop thinking about it!  We haven’t talked about AI now. You know AI can be used in a positive light, and the way we see AI being used in Oggi is information at your fingertips, you know?

Even as in different languages. And I think we would love Oggi to be a place, a destination, where it is all about information and results. That is how I see it. I mean, you know, we are looking at a company down  in Southern California, and they are creating hydrogen fuel cars, right? That’s not even in their mind right now. And we’re talking to them about being able to create a 3D version of it, being able to educate people about it, another source of energy so they’re thinking way, way ahead of us, and we’re hoping to be right there with them.

Chris 

I love it. I mean, you’re you’re thinking ahead in your space, and you’re thinking about how to support them, because what we know is not disappearing, is human collaboration

and the magic that comes from it. 

And I can absolutely see Oggi as a future enabler for the next generation of what collaboration looks like in remote places, in places together, you know?  The Future Library workforce is really, really exciting, and your ability to connect people plays a critical role in that, and those like you or those who are inspired by you. 

Brian, anything you want to add lastly, to where Oggii fits in to how the future of the immersive digital reality looks like?

Brian

No, I think it’s to kind of the point of being brave, like we’ve talked about today, and being brave to make those intentional decisions, to invest in ways that create change. That could be improving revenue, could be better patient care, fill in the blank, right? And how fast the market moves. Let me say it this way, the market’s moving fast. Technology is moving fast. We gotta keep up with it and get ahead of it so we can, you know, realize the value of that technology,

Chris  

Absolutely. And closing thoughts here, taking your, well, I’ll let you keep your Oggi hats on, but really, CEO, founder, between the both of you, Brian, feel free to go first and Imelda, we’ll close with you. What advice would you give to the individuals listening? 

Brian, you just briefly touched on a great concept, taking it back to the beginning, which is, be brave. You know, even as we’re talking to potential customers of yours, future customers, you’re encouraging them to be brave, to try something new, to try something that could change their lives, their customers’ lives. How can those listening to this podcast, whether it’s solo entrepreneurs or leaders in their business, how can they foster that same culture of innovation and drive brave ideas like you are at Oggi?

Brian  

You know, that’s a great question. What I would really tee up is, if somebody says no or I can’t say, “Why?”, then ask them, “why?” again. Next, and eventually we’ll get you the reality. Is it really something you can’t do, or are we just not thinking about it in a more holistic way?

So asking why? Whenever somebody tells you no, you know it doesn’t matter if it’s a vendor, doesn’t matter if it’s a partner or your colleague, gives you the true answer, and once you decide yes or no, then you move past it and just keep running

Chris 

Being curious, not only with how things are, but with how things could be. Imelda, anything to add or any separate closing thoughts? 

Imelda  

Oh definitely. If you’re looking for the next widget, first thing you have to do is solve an existing problem. And once you understand that, you have license to think outside of the box. And that’s how Oggi started.

Chris  

Amazing. To close out, let me thank the Oggi team. Brian, Imelda, appreciate you both being here. It’s been such a pleasure. Haley, thanks so much for joining us in the Oggiverse. Shout out for capturing our video today, and to everyone listening to this episode of brave ideas, thank you. Go be brave. Go Inspire. Go do what Oggi is doing. 

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